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Hello!

I'll start by acknowledging that these questions fall partly into the category of "wanting proof" which I believe AJ & Mary have usually indicate someone to not wanting to "do the work". But having said that, I think they're good questions and would love to see them covered in an upcoming FAQ or session.

The questions are to do with the claim that Celestial Spirits are able to manifest a phsyical form like Jesus did in the first century shortly after his death.

1. Do AJ & Mary interact with Celestial Spirits who have manifested a form? (because they're in a condition to do so, and they have "old friends" who are at one with God and in spirit form)

2. What does a spirit in this form look like?

3. AJ said in a talk that he and Mary had considered returning to Earth as spirits by manifesting physical form, but decided against it mainly because of their desire to demonstrate becoming one with God the way they're doing it right now. He added also that because so many people currently view Jesus as God, this would have added to the error. This brings up a few questions for me:

a) Why didn't some of the 7 souls who returned along with Jesus & Mary go this route? Wouldn't having both benefit everyone, especially AJ & Mary on their progression?
b) Why haven't other spirits taken this option throughout the ages? (Have they/Do they?)

4. It's been said that Celestial Spirits don't interact with us for the same reason God doesn't - because we're not in an adequate state of humility and desire.

a) Why was Jesus able to interact with so many people in the first century and given this truth?
b) Why was this option being considered before you knew "reincarnation" was possible? Also, if that is the feeling of God & Celestial Spirits, isn't it equally against nature to interact with us even in mortal bodies?

5. What happens to the body after the spirit returns to spirit form?

I'm really seeing the value of this forum Nicky created - I love knowing that if these questions get an answer, there's a place to discuss with other interested people!

- Chad

Hi Chad

Firstly, yes as you briefly stated, many of your questions relate to metaphysical type events that do not focus on the soul based emotional work that enables you to become more of a loving person which also enhance your ability to connect with celestial spirits consciously, which ironically enough, would "give you proof" should you choose this course of action.

These questions of yours have mostly already been covered by Jesus in a previous Divine Truth video. There is an older thread in this section of the forum that goes into this area, should you wish to investigate.

You can find the thread by clicking the below link:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=95

You can see my response regarding question 4. I also provided a link to the Divine Truth video that answers some of your questions in the older thread.

Cheers
Nicky

Thank you for the good feedback, Nicky. I watched the video with Mary channeling her guide Rachel, it was a nicely relevant suggestion. I had viewed it in the past, but there's always something new to be gained. There was even one gentleman who, like me, was seeking a fast track.

I mentioned in my introduction post that I was going to revisit the path by starting with the videos about desiring truth & a relationship with God. I have viewed some of them and found more than anything these types of questions awaken in me.

Since 2010, I've watched nearly every video on each the DT channels, met AJ & Mary in 2012 and have had the benefit of interacting with many people on or investigating the path. Where I arrived is that I don't presently believe they are who they claim to be. However, I also don't feel they are deceitful or (what's the nice way to put this?) ...crazy. I believe they are lovely, sincere people.

When I watch DT seminars, I can easily conclude that they are indeed correct about the true nature of love. I can do this through self reflection and analyzing people and events everywhere. Simply by gaining this new awareness, I am able to develop in love. No matter what, I owe a debt of gratitude for development on the natural love path which does have great value, especially since I can do it without acquiring beliefs that deny God.

What I have not been able to do is to receive divine love or to verify claims about the spirit world and the human soul. I understand this is due to my attachment to addictions and a lack of desire/humility. While giving up the sex, drugs and rock & roll is something I do from time to time, we all learn that those Earthly addictions are only the tip of the iceburg. I'd even have to give up my job to be humble to this pursuit.

So what I'm interested in cultivating is a desire to go all in. But when I see so many claims that seem like they should be relatively simply to prove, I'm drawn to those types questions. In my mind, if any of those were proven, it wouldn't make my progression any easier - I would still have to do the work - it would simply provide a knowing that it was the right path. I can't get my mind around understanding why proof of the spirit world is unloving.

I should also add that because this is where I am on the path (or the path that eventually leads everyone to the actual path ) I don't have any expectation for a response. In fact if this means that I'm someone who not should be interacting on this board please don't hesitate to let me know and I'll just simply lurk and use the board as a place to continue on the natural love path while investigating the divine path.

Thanks again,

- Chad

PS Now I understand why everyone is writing such long posts!

I just have to fess up to one thing really quickly. I was listening to the talk Nicky recommended while I was working and somehow missed the particular part (Scott's question) that made it so relevant. I noticed this when I re-read his response in the other thread. Turns out the answer to this question was a lot more specific than I would have imagined. Strange that I missed that part now and when I watched this in the past since I've met Scott in person so I would normally be a bit more tuned in to something he's saying.

Hi Chad

There are a few areas in your latest post that I would like to respond to.

You wrote:

ChadMontreal wrote:What I have not been able to do is to receive divine love or to verify claims about the spirit world and the human soul.

AND

ChadMontreal wrote:So what I'm interested in cultivating is a desire to go all in. But when I see so many claims that seem like they should be relatively simply to prove, I'm drawn to those types questions. In my mind, if any of those were proven, it wouldn't make my progression any easier - I would still have to do the work - it would simply provide a knowing that it was the right path.

The only way you can every "verify" something is if you have a personal experience of it and therefore know it to be true as a fact. I can talk to you about Divine Love, the spirit world (celestial spirits as you spoke of in your original thread) and the human soul for days on end and still, you would not feel verified of these things as you have not yet had the personal experience to prove the truth to yourself and feel it as truth.

I feel as though you are intellectually attempting to verify these "ideas" as truths using your mind from a distance without desiring to conduct experiments which will help you to understand the emotional processes which can verify these things to you pretty quickly. The only way you can actually verify these things is through feeling the truths of them in your heart in conjunction with the logic. Divine Love is an emotional experience, feelings received from celestial spirits (and also other spirits) are emotional and the human soul is emotional in nature. You are limiting your perception of truth to what you can only ascertain logically in your mind and through the 5 senses of the human body. If you are hoping a celestial spirit manifests itself physically to show you the type of "proof" you are seeking, you could be waiting a very long time, and even then you are susceptible to being manipulated by darker spirits who may masquerade as celestial spirits because your soul is not in a developed enough condition to feel the spirit's true intentions and condition.

When I first came across Divine Truth, I too wanted somebody else (anyone apart from God) to verify these things to me and to give me some validation that I was on the "right path" before I went "all in." I realised I had a feeling within me of:

I really want to be shown some physical proof of these things that I can process and validate using my 5 senses and intellect. Until such a time when this happens, this stuff is not truly worthy of my full time and attention.

The ironic thing was that although I was thinking and feeling the above, I just could not stop watching Divine Truth videos! This stance that I took was actually due to my own arrogance in wanting certain types of proof that I would accept as well as numerous resistances within me about actually following the method God has created in helping me resolve these issues that I had - they were MY issues, not God's. There was also a demand in wanting God or a celestial spirit to "impress me" so that I did not have to go through my own emotional experiences and address my doubts.

I realised that nothing "miraculous" was happening so I decided that the only way I would ever truly verify these things was if I started conducting experiments that Jesus speaks of in almost every single Divine Truth video. Once I decided on taking this course of action for certain, I cannot tell you how quickly I was guided into conducting an experiment with prayer and God which led me to having my first experience of receiving Divine Love. I was required to have a tiny bit of faith initially which allowed me to conduct the experiments with an open heart, but once I started the process and took one small step towards God, it felt as though God ran towards me to prove certain truths that I now know as fact.

I can look at everyone directly in the eye and say that AJ is Jesus and Mary is Mary as I have received God's Truth on the matter, but that won't help prove the things that they teach as truth to you personally. Of course, me knowing this truth in my heart has helped me a huge amount with conducting further experiments, praying to God etc, but you will still be in the same situation as you were in before. Once you start allowing yourself to recognise and feel the stagnation you are currently in (which you have been doing lately that led you back to Divine Truth and registering to the forum), you will naturally be more desirous of seriously investigating these principles at an emotional level.

You wrote:

ChadMontreal wrote:I can't get my mind around understanding why proof of the spirit world is unloving.

Obtaining proof of the spirit world is not unloving and it is not what I said to you in my response. You were asking about celestial spirits in your posts and therefore part of my first reply was to speak of celestial spirits and how it is possible for you to consciously connect with them. You felt I was suggesting that obtaining proof of the spirit world is unloving because it was not the answer you were seeking and would have preferred a different answer than the one I gave.

In summary, there is no intellectual "fast track" process you can go through to prove and know certain truths, particularly those concerning God and the Divine Love path. In fact, the intellectual process is a very long, time consuming and energy draining method and the "answers" will never truly satisfy you.

I have found that the emotional process IS the "fast track" method of ascertaining truths or facts about certain topics, it has saved me a heck of a lot of time and energy that I otherwise would have wasted AND every time I have felt the reception of these truths, I have been overwhelmed with feelings and therefore felt extremely satisfied. It may sound crazy, but you start feeling so much love and gratitude to the process that God has set out!


Hope that helps.
Nicky

Thank you Nicky - that's very inspiring.

Nicky! I'm really touched you took the time to write such a thoughtful response. Seriously, thank you. It's inspiring to hear that you've had success with the experiments that Jesus does talk about in almost every talk. I haven't, but perhaps I'm getting closer - it does help to hear stories like yours.

Thank you!

- Chad