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Hi guys, I have felt that something was going on in this thread. It feels like Pierre is trying to confront some of his fears by addressing the ladies there. But it somehow feels to me that he is in addiction too...
I will keep on feeing about it, but I thought I'd put it in here for now.



cheers,
Lena

So why I have asked about Pierre's interactions with these girls, in the manner that he did, was because I felt he wanted them to change and stop treating other men as he has been treated by the women in his life.

So what do you guys think?

I also ask because, Jesus and Mary (many times, thanks guys so much) had a chat with me about my addiction to engagement with women who I am terrified of, while still giving them what I want, which is agreeing with them that I bad and worse than they are.

So I don't feel that Pierre has felt why he was attracted and still is, to these kind of women, just like me.

Or if I am wrong, than is Pierre standing up in this interactions?
I found one more here:
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thanks

Hi Lena

It is interesting you brought this up about Pierre. I had observed that Pierre has been interacting with women on the forum who he would have previously had fear of (women who have anger towards men). I did not feel anything too obvious with regards to whether he is in addiction or not when reading these posts.

However, my gut instinct says I still reckon he feels some anger within himself towards these kinds of women about the harsh treatment he has received from them for the majority of his life (originating with his mum) as he is now pretty aware of this and I reckon in his posts, there is this slight feeling of anger there. It's more of a retaliation to the feelings of grief I think he has about being oppressed by such women. It is nothing overt in nature and the words he uses does not make this seem apparent, but I don't feel it is a strikeable issue. It's just something I reckon I can feel from him.

When I read Pierre's reply to Sandra's intro before posting my comment welcoming her to the forum, I did initially feel he could have been in addiction there but skipped over it. Now that you have also raised his post to Sandra and after giving myself some time to feel about it, I do feel his post was addictive (pandering and wanting to offer encouragement/cheer to women) to gain approval from them. I believe Pierre and Sandra were in a relationship previously and they were at the assistance group last year together so it could be those feelings and dynamic between them kinda spilling over onto the forum. Please correct me if I am wrong on them being in a relationship together in the past!

I have affection for Pierre, I reckon it's because we share many of the same injuries towards women and I can kinda understand him. I believe if I didn't come across DT at the age that I did, I would be going through much of the same feelings he has been going through and would have found myself in a similar situation at his age. I think this has also led me to being a bit hesitant towards giving him some feedback too because I do feel he is being sincere and genuine with working through things. But also, I feel it is probably due to my own addiction in sharing what I feel with him because of wanting to be "liked" as I really enjoyed getting to know him at the assistance group last year and I wouldn't want him to think I was being harsh and the potentiality of him maybe not "liking" me has he did previously. In fact, I definitely feel this too is the case as I have not been looking at the situation from God's perspective until right now with writing this post out and reflecting as I go.

I would be very keen to hear what Jesus and/or Mary and Eloisa feel could be going on here with Pierre and whether we are totally inaccurate or something.

Thanks for bringing this up Lena, it has been on my mind for a while.

Nicky

Hey Guys,

I haven't had a chance to read all of this yet (between Marina, Pierre and Laura). I will check it out and get back to you.

Re the comment made to Sandra, I wondered if he still feels 'hurt' (has some anger) about what happened between them in the relationship - I thought they may have been together also - and I wonder if he is wanting Sandra to change, or hoping she will with a feeling that she should? Also that he may have a lot of sadness underneath this as you suggested Nicky. It is almost like his comment is for him as much as Sandra. If they were not together I still feel there is something between them as it feels different to some of the other comments he has made to others.

Anyway will feel into it more, this is really great, to feel what is REALLY going on (and I feel a bit of fear about the projections I may get if I get it 'wrong' or someone doesn't like what I say to them - doesn't like me). It is also highlighting that I have a heap of 'stuff'/injury and I am feeling/seeing heaps through my emotional injury filters. I am noticing that I 'feel' things but am not clear on what it is I feel with particular people and with others I feel clearer and more confidant about what the issues may be.

I am enjoying reading your guys feelings about stuff.

Thanks again for the opportunity.

Love
Eloisa

Hey guys,
I didn't feel it's anything harsh worth of a strike.
But I somehow felt that he is not aware of what he is doing there. And why he is still drawn to these women. To cheers them up, or to show them what kind of damage they were doing, to stand up to them...etc
The last one is a subjective one.
This is why I am asking.

I was doing the same kind of thing with women I think.
I was telling myself, that I need more interactions with women like my mom so I can stand up to them and so I can feel the fear and see my own addictions etc...
I was using these things to actually cover over the fact that I was simply drawn to these women out of fear to become a different person - not a pleasing girl.
This is a very weird thing that I did and still do, and I am still puzzled about how strange my acting out on this enjury is.

So when I saw Pierre's comments to Sandra, who he was in the relationship with and was abused, and to the other ladies there, I thought is Pierre doing what I was doing...?

I, in my interactions, also "spoke the truth" to an extend I could. Told those women a heap of stuff. But nothing mattered. I was not in truth my self. Jesus and Mary had many chats with me about this issue and I am still super touchy with it.

Here is what I think now (this is in my intersections with abusive women, is it what Pierre is doing?)
So I f I had stopped feeding my addiction, to feeling small, worse than these women, grieved this view point I have about myself. Would I than be drawn to these women? Would they ever tolerate my presence?

And if in that space, above, I also spoke the God's truth, and didn't feed their's or mine addictions, how would they react to me than? The first thing comes to me, they would want to scratch my eyes out. And the only reason why they didn't, is because I still felt bad about my self in their presence, I still felt guilty and at fault for no apparent reason, so I still gave them what they wanted and then it didn't matter what truth I was saying then, in their presence I still did what they wanted.

I also remembered many examples when the victims were shown their perpetrators in the spirit world only for a moment to avoid the victim projecting rage at those and trying to harm them, as then everyone is in trouble. The victim would probably stay in that condition and place because of their desire to punish the perpetrators.


This is kind of clear to me. However. I have a personal issue of running away and hiding, thinking this is the way to handle the interactions with unloving people. Is to hide.
So after chatting with Eloisa about her latest opportunity with the Peter's family, I asked Jesus and he explained that what Eloisa did I have never done.
So by me not agreeing with the attackers and staying in the situation to continue to confront them.
And once I feel about the attack and manage to stay in truth about myself, without slipping into self punishment, it is than safe to say that I have dealt with the situation properly.


After having said all of the above, sorry about such a long post.
I now feel that Marina, Sandra and maybe Laura are not very sincere about changing n this issue with men. And what I felt was anger or potential anger from them, that Pierre was there talking to them & and kind of "annoying" them with his presence and by speaking up. That they would rather not have this guy telling them that he is in fact the kind of a men they take advantage off.
And that if Pierre is not careful, he may be placing him self in a dangerous territory, especially if he isn't going to feel the fear.

All is good, the forum is an opportunity, but I feel the exercise is only worth while if, here on the forum, people actually take up these opportunities. So it doesn't end up being an abbusive situation.

This is why it drew my attention, I guess, the potential of it.

I am thinking that maybe I am making this all up or confused, which is a sign of me being attacked.
So I better feel more about this and get back to you guys.

I wonder how Pierre felt while he was posting to Sandra and to Marina. And how he felt after he did.

Thanks guys!!!

Hi Guys,

I have read and had a go at feeling what I felt in the interactions between, Marina, Laura, Pierre.

I wondered how sincere the women are to actually change and if they genuinely want to or not. Or if they desired to justify and just talk about their rage and share their emotions with others rather than getting in and really feeling about it. I feel that the title suggests this along with many of the statements Marina and Laura make.

I also wondered at how sincere their desire to really love is as it sounds like they have been living in their rage for a long time? I know for me that when I chose to stay in my tantrums and anger it is a choice because I don't want to feel and also it is an excuse to treat others badly and this is not okay actually.

I haven't had a chance to listen to the feedback given to Marina in the personal Truth session, but I feel this might help me to see more of the situation also.

Laura gave an example I think it was intended to help to see how to work through an addiction, but it wasn't very clear and I noticed that when Pierre asked her to clarify something to me it felt she got a bit upset/defensive by the question which I thought was interesting in the fact that she had brought it up in the first place. (quote below)

‘I don't know why you want an example of when I'm physically punished, I don't see how that is relevant’

I wondered if the real feeling is murderous rage at times towards the opposite genders when they don’t get what they want, or think they want in particular interactions? (this could just be my fear). Pierre mentions he has feelings like these and from the women I wonder if they do to due to their comments and feelings. Being real about it and not underhanded is a step in the right direction but I still feel there is a lot of feelings attached to the words that have not been genuinely dealt with yet.

I had personal fear at how 'okay' it feels the women feel about harming and punishing men (and me), this really concerned me. I wondered if this was why you picked up on this post Lena because of the fear of being afraid of these types of women (I read your post where you confirmed this).

I felt like what you said Nicky about Pierre feels pretty plausible to me. I feel like he may be wanting to challenge certain fears, but has underlying frustrations or anger about certain things still going on - like I said in previous comment about Sandra.

I also wonder if the addiction Pierre mentions in other posts, about getting approval from women to feel good is still going on also? ( I figure any addiction I have that I don't feel through is going to be influencing everything I do).

I notice in a lot of the posts in general that the interactions are about talking about stuff rather than feeling it. I know how much I have wanted to do this and on what seem like my ‘biggest’ resistances still desire to do so.

Due to this issue being raised in the meeting room can I reply and say what I feel to those involved in the discussion? or do I wait until we get advice about what is really going on?

I thought your wonderings about Pierre’s feelings might be good to ask Pierre about if you get the chance Lena.


Have a lovely day,

xo Eloisa

Hi Eloisa,

thanks for sharing, this is what I also felt, that there is a talk about the change from Marina, but not really a feeling.

As I haven't actually saw her engage further with Pierre about what he or about what she in fact has risen in her original topic.

And I still do feel that Pierre has unresolved anger going on with women.

And I will ask him how he felt when he posted on that thread... As I feel it would be great to hear if Pierre choose to share about that.

x
Lena

Hi guys

After reading the below response from Laura towards Pierre, I feel it is condescending, angry and pretty resistive.

I don't know why you want an example of when I'm physically punished, I don't see how that is relevant

I have noted that Pierre has not responded in the thread following her response (even though I feel he has read her reply) and has not informed me privately of a potential issue of love that may be present which shows me that Pierre probably still has a lot of fear about anger being projected towards him from women and when faced with the confrontation, he still has a tendency to do "as he is told" when his soul feels threatened about the attack. But also, I feel this is the kind of response that Laura wanted to illicit from her post, which is a non-response from Pierre essentially. After reading Mary's feedback to Laura last week and giving myself time to reflect on it and feel about it, I can better understand her current situation.

Although I feel you guys are accurate in the sense that people are generally writing/talking about stuff before feeling it, I feel them talking about it on the forum is a crucial part of their own understanding of where they are at and I feel it is quite a brave step in sharing this "dark" stuff about themselves on a public forum and opening themselves up to feedback and law of attraction events (such as in these examples between Pierre and the differing women). For instance, I do get the feeling that what Marina shared regarding the level of her own rage in the thread must have been pretty challenging and difficult for her to do and I feel her doing this is a step in the right direction for her. There is a large chunk of people whom are registered to the forum but have hesitancy with sharing and exposing themselves which I feel is more of an issue for themselves in terms of their own level of sincerity and humility.

Sometimes these guys who are talking/posting about their own potential issues do not even know what it is they actually feel and the real issues that are present, especially in the instance with the feedback Mary gave to Laura last week and witnessing how "off" Laura's own self-assessment was. I guess talking about where they think they are and engaging in the forum provides them with an opportunity to learn more and allows us to offer them with any correction if they are barking up the wrong tree.

I feel the most loving thing to do is to acknowledge the above is happening (talking about issues rather than feeling them), which we are doing and then where possible try to provide them with feedback that may assist them in furthering their understanding. When feedback is provided, it then gives them a choice at a soul level of whether to:

1) Entertain the feedback and begin to emotionally process it (as the feedback is usually firstly received at the intellectual level, unless they are pretty sincere and have a fair degree of humility).
2) Entertain the feedback intellectually and then choose emotionally to avoid it which ultimately reverts them back to their default, addictive behaviour again on the forum - my recent strikes to spiritinfluenced2 / sandra as an example.
3) Reject the feedback and respond with resistance, anger, condescension etc

If they choose options 2 or 3, disciplinary action (strikes) can then be taken as we can now begin to see the decisions they are making at an emotional level in exercising their will in an unloving manner. This also then provides other forum members and guests on a clear course of action that we, as forum "staff" essentially are taking in order to uphold the principles of love that Jesus & Mary teach and demonstrate the loving way to deal with unloving behaviours and choices.

I don't know why I feel this but I reckon Mary is wanting us to discuss these issues between ourselves and coming to the loving conclusions and truth as a team before sharing with us "the answers" which if true, I feel is pretty cool and I guess really important in our own development and progression. If she felt we were way off, I reckon she may have informed us of this in this thread by now. Alternatively we could be way off and she just hasn't had the time to reply in the thread so I am just covering myself if this is the case

I feel as a collaborative team, we are hopefully pretty close to the truth of this particular situation. The only thing that now must be done, is to address the people and situation publicly on the thread itself.

Eloisa, I also noted your question about giving feedback to people and I would say that you guys go right ahead and post your feedback on the relevant threads going forwards. If another moderator, myself or Mary would like to add to the feedback or issue a strike, we can easily do so afterwards.

I feel due to the nature of Laura's comments to Pierre, disciplinary action must be taken (strike) in conjunction with offering feedback. As this is the case, no feedback has yet been given and I am responsible for the striking of people currently, I can do this if you guys are happy with that?

I am really enjoying having you guys on board and I am really loving this function of having this meeting room to discuss such crucial areas of love with one another. I can see how this would benefit not just ourselves, but improve the experience of being on the forum for every other forum member and guests who browse the site.

Nicky

Hi guys,

I feel it is ok for me to share my private exchange with Pierre just for your reference, as he is allowed it and due to the new forum rules so here is his reply. In here you can see that he is not aware of Laura's snap at him at all. Which could be powerful to bring his attention to.


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I am very happy to answer your question. Thank you so much. I am really touched.

I am also very happy to make it public if it can benefit anybody on the forum.

I will reflect more on your question now. In short, I felt a huge fear / desire of control form Laura when I asked her a clarification (exemple) and she could not see the point.

I was generally very content to be treated nicely by these women because I often fear not to be and so by posting I challenge this addiction.

But, if I reflect a bit, I feel I have not been received much in what I shared, and maybe they just answered a polite thank you, but nothing in detail that indicates that they valued my post. But, honestly I feel really Ok with it because, really I don't expect that, I just hope it can help. I love when it can help of course.

I would love to hear your feedback on these interactions and certainly to have some truth about what I don't want to see.

I am questioning myself how come you have interest in these interactions and in how I feel about them. I am also surprised you are interested in that and this is really touching me very much Lena. I feel so much love and care in your question. It is very unusual for me.

Hope you are well you both, very dear to my heart.
PIerre
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Hi Nicky,

I agree that sharing our sinful desires, addictions and our struggles is a way better place rather than be reserved about our true state and only be comfortable about talking other people or only stay hidden and not engage at all.
And this should probably be more regularly embraced on the forum, so people do not feel they have been "shut down" by a feedback. I guess it's very important to check our attitude and intentions. I am probably more talking about my self here.
I agree that it's important that people who share, and even make mistakes publicly are helped and not "told off". That's an attitude I would like to develop in myself.

This was a very loving reminder Nicky, thank you.

x
Lena